2015年2月1日 星期日

02月01日 後佔中第48天


02月01日 後佔中第48天




Editorial

Pan-democrats should advance the cause of democracy

明報社評

政府構思謀通過方案 泛民應藉機推進民主
THE GOVERNMENT, floating a trial balloon to test pan-democrats' reactions, has suggested stating in its constitutional reform proposal that specific improvements may be made to the arrangements for the election of the Chief Executive (CE) by universal suffrage in 2022, trying to gain their support for the proposal. However, the pan-democrats have reiterated that they will veto any constitutional reform proposal based on the framework adopted by the National People's Congress on August 31 last year.

政府拋出試探氣球,以在政改方案列明2022年特首普選安排可以具體優化,換取泛民議員支持通過政改方案。不過,泛民議員再度表明按全國人大常委會831框架而提出的政改方案,他們都會否決。

Despite the deadlock in constitutional reform, some committed individuals are still attempting to advance the cause of democracy. Albert Chen, a member of the Basic Law Committee and a professor at the HKU Faculty of Law, is still vigorously promoting his proposal of allowing the public to render the CE election invalid by casting blank votes. Ronny Tong, once dejected about the constitutional reform issue, has declared, once again, that if it is promised that all functional constituencies will be abolished and all Legco members will be returned by universal suffrage, he will try to persuade citizens to accept the constitutional reform proposal even if it is based on the August 31 framework. Meanwhile the government has proposed that, if pan-democrats support its proposal, it will consider stating clearly in the proposal that the arrangements for the 2022 CE election can be amended in line with the actual situation in Hong Kong (e.g. by expanding the nominating committee or increasing the number of candidates). The government's hope is that the pro-democracy lawmakers will reconsider their position.

政改陷於僵局,有心人仍然試圖推進民主進程。基本法委員會委員、港大法律學院教授陳弘毅積極宣講他的「白票守尾門」等概念,本來對政改已經心灰意冷的湯家驊議員,再度提出若爭取到立法會取消功能組別,全部議席由普選產生,則他會嘗試說服市民接受831框架的政改方案。政府提出若泛民支持政改,會考慮在普選方案列明2022年特首普選安排,可按本港實際情况修改,包括增加提名委員人數及候選人數目,目的是期望泛民議員回心轉意。

Chen's and Tong's suggestions have met with mostly criticisms from pan-democrats and apathy from establishmentarians. Still, their will to try to maximise democracy within the confines of reality should be commended. The trial balloon floated by the government, on the other hand, has been greeted with derision by pan-democrats. They queried why the government, instead of engaging in discussion with them in an open and above-board manner, should have made noises about those suggestions while staying behind the doors. They even rejected the government's suggestions later on the grounds that they were based on the August 31 framework. They have expressed, in a harsh tone, their unwillingness to engage in any discussion with the government concerning the August 31 framework, while some lawmakers are becoming more and more sarcastic, trying to incite citizens to oppose the constitutional reform proposal. Their thinking and arguments are becoming increasingly irrational.

陳弘毅和湯家驊的建議,在泛民陣營受批評的多,在建制陣營則遭遇冷對;即使如此,仍然不能抹殺他們在現實局限下,意圖爭取最大程度民主的心志。政府的試探氣球,先是遭到泛民揶揄,指政府為何躲在幕後放風,而非光明正大提出來討論,其後更以831框架為由而拒絕政府建議。凡是涉及831框架的討論,泛民議員都厲言峻拒,而且個別議員的言辭愈來愈尖酸刻薄,意圖藉此鼓動市民反對政改方案;如此操作,與理性思考、理性判斷,漸行漸遠。

The pan-democrat lawmakers' relentless attack on the August 31 framework can be interpreted as an attempt to seize the moral high ground and snatch political advantage. However, many surveys on the August 31 framework have shown that citizens who support the adoption of the framework outnumber those who think it should be rejected. Earlier this month, at a time when the government launched the second round of consultation on constitutional reform and the Occupy movement had just come to an end, a survey conducted by the HKU Public Opinion Programme and commissioned by this newspaper showed that 56 percent of respondents believed the framework should be adopted, as opposed to 34 percent of those who thought it shouldn't. Pan-democratic lawmakers might think that their opposition to the constitutional reform proposal is supported by the majority of Hong Kong people. These surveys have suggested otherwise.

泛民議員死盯831框架不放,或許他們認為此乃佔據道德高地,可攫取政治利益。然而,關於831框架,歷來許多的民意調查都發現,認同「袋住先」的市民都多過認為應該否決方案的市民。即使本月初政府啟動第二輪政改諮詢,時值佔領行動結束未幾,本報委託港大民意研究計劃所作的調查,認同「袋住先」的受訪者有56%、反對通過方案的為34%。從這些數字看來,若泛民議員認為否決方案是代表主流民意,民調顯示市民的抉擇取捨卻非如此。

If the constitutional reform proposal is vetoed, the election of the CE by registered or eligible voters in a "one person, one vote" manner will not be possible in 2017. And the return of all Legco members by universal suffrage will become impossibly distant. We won't see the day when democracy sprouts and takes root in Hong Kong. The government's hope is that the election of the CE by universal suffrage will be implemented in 2017. The pan-democrats should take this as a chance to advance the cause of democracy. As the government has put forward its suggestions, the pan-democrats can lay down some conditions in return. Things can move forward as long as both sides are willing to engage in concrete discussion of the matter.

若否決了政改方案,不僅無法於2017年實現已登記、或合資格選民一人一票選出特首,立法會普選也遙遙無期,根本看不到民主何時會在香港萌芽和落地生根。職是之故,既然政府期望落實2017年特首普選,泛民應該視之為推進民主的機會;政府提出了建議,泛民也可以開條件,只要雙方有意願去實質討論,就有可能推動事態向前發展。






順時序記錄

13:00

民陣 2015年2月1日大遊行 主題為 「唔要假民主 我要真普選」,現於維多利亞公園網球場旁準備出發。







13:15  [遊行集合處 ]

民陣是日下午1時30分舉行廷期的元旦遊行,預定1時30分集體。維園草地現場所見參與人數不多,外傭反而更多。
人潮慢慢增多,但相比昔日民陣大遊行於集合時間前已人山人海,今次的集合情況明顯較慢。














13:30 銅鑼灣


維園草坪陸續有遊行人示聚集,準備兩點出發。











14:03 大埔


「本土民主連綫」和「正義聯盟」在大埔站A出口擺街站。





14:00  [民陣遊行 一片黃海]


民連遊行即將由維園出發,現場一片由黃傘構成的黃海。 前立會議員李柱銘剛於台上表示,在場的市民亦是同路人,一起爭取真普選。 而民陣亦呼籲市民登記及做義工,並在沿途有4個街站讓市民登記做義工及派發選民登記表。











14:00 民陣遊行-灣仔

【團體擺設街站 表達不同訴求】
是日由民間人權陣線的遊行,各個團體在附近的道路擺設街站,包括街工,傘落社區及環保觸覺等等。訴求包括反對第三條跑道,呼籲登記做選民及派發單張等等

現時遊行路線之道路已經封閉。











14:20 銅鑼灣


遊行隊伍從維園草坪出發,高叫"我要真普選!梁振英下台!"








14:28 銅鑼灣


有監警會成員在維多利亞公園監察遊行過程。





14:33  大埔


警察組成人鏈分隔「本土民主前綫」和「正義聯盟」





14:30  [民連遊行全民開講 市民狂轟政改建制]


民陣遊行隊頭已在十數分鐘前開始離開維園草地,民連於旁的講台開設「全民開講」,讓有意上台市民發表見。 有市民狂轟假普選及建制派,甚至提到某政黨有議員北上尋歡,而數落建制派的操守。現在所見,市民並不活躍參與「全民開講」,台上主持於未有市民上台時需要唱歌以充時間。














14:35 銅鑼灣

遊行隊頭到達中央圖書館,沿途高喊「自己政府自己揀!」,亦有人








14:45 銅鑼灣

伊榮街天橋上有大批市民與記者拍攝民陣遊行








14:47 銅鑼灣

民陣遊行隊頭到伊榮街,社民連及學生覺醒街站在場迎接。





14:41 維園出發點

大量警員在示威路上沿途戒備。








14:53 銅鑼灣


崇光百貨對面馬路有市民以紙皮版自製橫額,高舉我要真普選標語。





14:55 銅鑼灣

泛民區選協調組織,民主動力於黃金廣場對出設街站。希望能協助有參選的市民作出協調。





14:50

警方以安全理由,阻止民主黨在灣仔英皇集團中心外搭台,雙方正在擾攘。














14:50 銅鑼灣


遊行隊頭到達Sogo,沿途邀請途人加入,有站在行人路的途人鼓掌表示支持。








15:00 [港獨支持者參與民陣遊行]


於民陣遊行隊尾,有市民高舉英殖時代的香港旗。鄭先生向本台表示今天前來是要令市民知道,香港只有獨立此路可走:「2047年,香港特區就會無咗,會完全變成中國城市。亦都唔會有真普選。只有獨立先可以改變前境。」











15:00 銅鑼灣


遊行隊伍經Hysan,立法會議員張超雄帶領示威人士高喊「我要真普選」。












15:00 聖保祿學校對開

學民思潮團體由黃之峰帶頭叫口號叫呼梁震英下台












15:00 灣仔

韓連山代表保衛香港自由聯盟於鵝頸橋附近設置街站,並高呼我要真普選口號。






15:00  灣仔

土地正義聯盟於天樂里附近設置街站,爭取市民支持。






15:00  大埔

路過市民向李偲嫣做不文手勢。








15:20 銅鑼灣

21歲大學生Jessie Tam用報紙摭眼及塞咀,她表示是為回應特首針對「學苑」的言論,及表達對言論自由的捍衛。





15:28 灣仔

香港學生專上聯會於集成中心外設街站,該會副秘書長稱絕不會被政府謊言騙到,堅決拒絕「袋住先」普選方案。






15:32 軒尼詩道.登龍街交界

有市民持龍獅旗背英國旗在警員前揮動









15:40 灣仔

邵家臻於灣仔港鐵站附近叫開咪,宣揚真普選訊息。






15:45 

民陣大遊行隊尾剛過Sogo。












16:07 軒尼詩道.杜老誌道交界

支持香港獨立人士派傳單.昭明公主派"靈符"。












16:12 軒尼詩道

遊行路上有各種小朋友手持標語及袋一起跟爸媽示威。









16:15 [民陣大遊行 多個團體籌款]

民陣大遊行,沿途有多個團體設置街站及籌款箱。
隊尾現時已達灣仔,警方逐步要求沿途的街站收拾及退回行人路上,並示意道路即將開通。





























16:41

大埔站A出口,雙方爭奪横額,場面混亂,警方舉黃旗。

撐警大聯盟與熱血公民在大埔港鐵站外各據一方對罵。






16:30 [反東北發展 派本地粟米]

民陣大遊行,有反東北發展人士派發由本地農民種植的粟米,並呼籲市民支持本地農業及反對影響本地農民的東北發展計劃。








16:40 中環

佔中發起人戴耀廷在遮打道說: 「如果我們沒有夢想,我們會沒有希望。如果我們沒有希望,我們會沒有堅持。如果我們不能堅持,我們就不能成功。所以,我們不能放棄夢想。」





16:30 灣仔

大,細黃伯是日也有參與遊行。在【社工復興運動】攤位外寫下有關訴求。包括:「我要真普選」及「沒有民主,哪有民生」。











01FEB2014 大細黃伯寫上訴求,引起參與遊行的市民圍堵及打氣







17:30

民陣大遊行隊尾已達金鐘太古廣場,警車於隊尾跟隨。











17:40

民連大遊行隊尾已達中環。相對以往民陣舉辦的大遊行,今次的遊行隊尾較早到達終點。











19:19 

遮打集會宣佈結束,今晚繼續有好多後續活動,當然包括鳩嗚團啦! 陣間見!


















01FEB2015 民間人權陣線召集人陳倩瑩結尾發言







21:20 


旺角菜街行人專用區繼續歌舞昇平。今晚朵朵黃傘張開,小聖堂也在崇拜。你到了沒有?
















22:12


兩岸都有黃傘在! 反黑企馬路! 今晚口號包括D7 689!








22:37 


一行40鳩嗚團友出發往北行 差佬沿途錄影。



























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